It wasn't the grid. It was me.

The Tesla app told me the grid was down. The Tesla app was wrong... kind of.

It was an overcast morning in a low-solar week, and our Amber Electric app was lit up green: 19¢/kWh, 30% renewables — "really cheap to use energy right now". So, I set the house battery and the Tesla EV to charge together, from grid power, while we waited for the sun.

A few minutes in, the phone pinged: "Power lost while charging — Charging stopped, check power source and charging equipment." The Tesla home view confirmed it — "Grid Outage. Powerwall is providing backup power. ~3.3 backup hours remaining."

I checked our circuit board. Nothing tripped. Went online to AusNet's outage page — nothing reported anywhere near us. Their fault-finder asked if the meter display was lit and we'd paid the bill: yes, and yes. Verdict: "It looks like there might be a fault on your property. You'll need to contact an electrician."

That's when I remembered the other set of breakers — the ones inside the Tesla Backup Gateway, behind the cover I rarely open. One had tripped: MAIN SWITCH (GRID SUPPLY), a 63 amp main breaker. About 15 kW at 240 V — and that turned out to be the whole story.

A few weeks ago, I only had one Powerwall 2, with a max draw of 5 kW. But now I have three Powerwalls, which can charge at up to 5 kW each, so 15 kW between them. The Wall Connector pulls another 7.5 kW. That's 22.5 kW trying to come in across a main feed rated for 15. Sapphire originally set a 14.4 kW software import limit to keep us safely under, but that limit also disabled "Charge on Solar" on the car. Following advice from Tesla support, I asked them to drop it; they warned it could trip; I didn't really understand the trigger at the time. Now I do.

The grid was fine. The protection did its job. The fault, this time, was me.

Question for the Tesla experts: is there a way to keep "Charge on Solar" available without an import limit that maxes out the Gateway breaker?

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  1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
    I think with so many of us installing EV chargers and home batteries there are going to be a few more tripped breakers and blown pole fuses happening. I have an hour of free power each day and supposedly the pole fuse is rated to 65 A but sometimes my Home Assistant monitoring of my inverter shows I'm drawing 80 A or more from the grid for very short periods (and holding my breath) - meanwhile juggling turning things on and off. It's my morning power game 😀
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  2. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
    To protect from tripping the mains, I use home assistant and evcc.io to ensure the grid import will only take in 10kw. This gives me 5kw to use in the house in case my wife decides to turn on the kettle / oven / heater etc. Home assistant reads the value (I decided to use the Enphase reading, just because...) every 5 seconds, and increases / slows down the EV charging accordingly. Hopefully this gives you some ideas on how to tackle this.
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  3. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
    Couple of things
    A) AMBER sucks in winter

    B) would have been money better spent on a 3Phase upgrade than a second Powerwall.

    C) always priority 1 to heat the house it's a 50kWh battery you have to charge pretty much everyday for 5 months.
    Best done directly in the middle of the day rather than at night from a battery.
    This is because it makes 20% more heating power with the same energy input when it's warmer outside 17degC vs 7degC it is now and you don't have a 20% trip loss through the battery.

    Single phase is super easy to run out of.
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  4. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
    Let me guess, you grid charge?

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    1. Occasionally. See details in the post.

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  5. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
    I have 2x PW3s and a wall connector. I can use charge on solar and have set an import limit of 14kw as I kept tripping it in the middle of the night charging both batteries and the car.
    My main issue is during a real grid outage the car doesn’t stop charging but slows which drains the battery. Currently using a home assistant automation to te the car to stop during an outage instead.
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    1. Brendan Cox Yeah, we need some better control over the power flow, such as saying "when charging my EV, only use the battery temporarily to smooth out solar spikes, but not when there's no solar". The Amber Electric app has some settings towards this goal, but it's buried.

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