A long-range plan in Bega, before the 400 km stretch

NSW → QLD Road Trip 2022–23

Warning: This is just a boring charging story, for those who are interested.

We stopped in Bega to charge, since it was the last fast charger (50kW DC, free from The NRMA) before the 400km stretch to the next one in Sale. We needed to fill up to get through Gippsland.

When we arrived, a blue MG was already charging and another Tesla was parking in the next spot. I checked into PlugShare as "Waiting". But the MG had not checked in, and the owner was nowhere to be seen. So, I didn't know how long they would be or how to contact them. The other Tesla driver, Sue, kindly offered to forgo her spot, since she could charge when home in Tathra. She told a story of previously waiting elsewhere for EVs to move, long after being charged and said "no one wants to be that guy".

After a while, when the MG was at 94%, the owner showed up. He said he doesn’t use PlugShare because "I don’t want people knowing where I am". He said he plans to charge to near 100%, even though he knows it's very slow after 95%. It did point out that his old(?) MG only gets about 200km of highway driving, so 5% can make a difference. He didn’t seem to care that others have to wait longer and have no idea of when he will return. Then he walked off.

I waited through the 90s, and later checked the "pump", which was had reached 100% some time ago. Still no sign of the owner, so I attempted to remove the CCS2 cable from the MG. To my surprise, it was not locked in. I had already parked my Tesla in the diagonally adjacent spot (which was fortunately vacant), since of course I couldn't move the MG out of the designated charging space.

Soon after, the MG owner returned. I told him I had removed the plug after 100%. He said "yes, you can do that on this model". I said that others wouldn't know that nor should have to do it. I also suggested that he use a pseudonym on PlugShare if he's really concerned about some sort of identity theft.

My takeaway, again, is that we need a queuing mechanism, that is incorporated into the same app we use for charging. And, of course, more than one fast charger at these locations.

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  1. Jill Clarke via Facebook ↗
    I just read that Cann River chargers are working. Not sure if they show up in Plugshare yet.
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    1. Jill Clarke via Facebook ↗
      Steve Pratt has posted in Plugshare that they are working - I can't get 395km in my M3SR so I need this Cann River stop!
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      1. Jill Clarke we def need this travelling from Bellarine Peninsula heading north coast road. 👏👏
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  2. Marc Tan via Facebook ↗
    Dick move by the MG owner
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  3. Greg Hayden via Facebook ↗
    I can see in the future, not to far down the track when people will be jumping out of bed in the early hours of the morning so they can charge there cars before daylight. Sleep while the car is charging for one or two hours while charging. Then driving back to the motel, get the family and go at approximately 4.00am
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    1. Greg Hayden as EVs become more popular, more hotels will either have chargers or at least an outdoor 10/15amp plug for EV charging. I won't stay at places without them these days when on holidays. It might cost me a bit more but the convenience is worth it.
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      1. Chris Rollie Have you ever encountered congestion / over allocation of hotel chargers ? I guess you can't book them in advance.

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      2. Paul Johnston no I haven't personally had an issue. I've stayed at the Hilton twice, charged my car to 100% and then moved it to a standard hotel carpark. When we go to Big 4/Holiday cabins we have put own power supply (basic 10 or 15amp plug) so that won't be an issue 👍
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      3. Paul Johnston just to add since the edit button isn't working - I also notify the hotel that I'm going to charge just in case they need to know or collect stars on use etc.
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  4. Tesla Tripping so true. Filling up an ICE car has some sort of socially accepted protocol/etiquette I guess. You fill up, pay, then move on. It's considered acceptable to pay before moving out of the way. And we wait. But when it comes to charging an EV, it sometimes can be a bit lawless of sorts like your experience today. How does a new EV charging etiquette become the norm? Who's responsibility is it to let new EV owners the etiquette? Car manufacturers? Gov? It's an interesting dilemma. 🤔
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    1. Michael William Carter not only is it socially acceptable but servo operators don't like it and there are often signs up saying don't move until you pay, such an outdated policy but it is hard to keep track of driveaways if cars are constantly shuffling even though it would be a simple fix with anpr cameras.
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      1. Adam Petronaitis yes true. Would be interesting to see if some simple signage would work for the chargers too then. 🤔
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  5. What we desperately need is idle fees! Tesla got it right charging idle fees and it makes a world of difference
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    1. Chris Rollie even if you want the charging to be free, that's still achievable.

      I've seen chargers that don't charge anything when actually in use but fees kick in when you're connected to the charger but not charging.
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      1. Emma Drake 100% - it's a no Brainer and desperately needed. EVs are the way of the future but the companies need to Move at the same speed (naive I know). I personally think that every charger should also have the option of good old paywave - not to be rude to the older generation, but there are still plenty of people who can't use apps or Smartphone.
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  6. The issue at the moment is that these chargers are free. This user could probably charge at home but you'd take free any day and his insistence on charging to 100% just maximizing the freeness. Travel chargers need to be much more expensive than home charging, unfortunately.
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  7. I’d want to be stealth in an MG 😂
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  8. Wesley Bell via Facebook ↗
    You can also get a charge at Bairnsdale behind McDonald's in the carpark 50kw
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    1. Wesley Bell The fast (50kW DC) chargers seemed to be off line in Bairnsdale.

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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping sorry mate I thought they were connected
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  9. Mathew Hatcher via Facebook ↗
    Tesla Superchargers in Narooma and are now open to all EV’s. Plans are in the works to have superchargers in Batemans Bay as well as Bega soon.
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  10. Nick Hannay via Facebook ↗
    Activate sentry on T’s and others were possible too will do it.
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  11. James Coulson via Facebook ↗
    karen
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    1. James Coulson if needing to use a fast charger and objecting to people being EVHoles makes me a Karen , then I'm a Karen and proud of it
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    2. James Coulson

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  12. Peter Cook via Facebook ↗
    Idle fees need to kick in above 90%.
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    1. Jason Panosh via Facebook ↗
      Peter Cook idle fees are just that, you're plugged in and not charging. Until that situation happens they don't kick in, so if you set the limit to 100% that's fine. What needs to happen is the education so that people learn not to charge to 100% as a standard goto. Sometimes, with the long distances and limited charging infrastructure, you do need to charge to 100% to get to your destination. But mostly you don't, and we need owners to better understand their range, the fact that last 10% takes ages, and that they probably in all reality don't need to charge to 100%.
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      1. Jason Panosh Idle fees need to cover the period not charging as well as the time the charger is overcharging the car. You do not need 100% on a public charger, and if you think you do, you can pay more.

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      2. Peter Cook nope, it's idle fees not slow charging speed. You might as well pick some arbitrary value. How about I'm impatient and why should I have to wait for cars charging at 30kW. I always unplug when it gets below 50kW. To me charging at 30kW is too slow, idle fees should kick in then.

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      3. Jason Panosh When Evie Networks was launching their 350kW National Ultrafast network, they had a mixed kWh plus minutes pricing model. But they billed every minute, not just the inefficient minutes. Stuff some 3-phase AC chargers off to the side for folks to top off. Their pricing model scared people, so they switched it to a flat 60c/kWh.
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      4. Peter Cook I guess there is your answer. In Australia we get our power by the kWh, everyone knows that's fair and reasonable. Then you have idle fees if your car isn't actually charging, most people also think that's fair and reasonable. Tesla has shown the way, others are still just messing around. I think eventually it'll settle into charge per kWh and idle fees.

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  13. One app to recommend is Need To Charge. It uses the licence plate as the identifier so they're not being tracked at all. Then when you have this sort of situation you can easily send a message to ask when they intend to be back.
    Hopefully karma gets them at some point when they are on a trip and get blocked by arrogance and ignorance. Until we get many more chargers this is going to be an issue.
    Oh, I totally don't agree with free chargers. They promote local abuse of charger camping and the fact there is little incentive for the operator to keep them maintained. And I think idle fees are very important to help encourage people to move their vehicle once it's finished.
    100% charging at DC is also something that needs to be educated about as that last 5%-10% does take an extraordinary amount of time. The latest misinformation getting around is the Tesla (and I assume all) EV with LFP battery where owners think it has to be charged to 100% because that is now what is RECOMMENDED. It's a recommendation to do it at least once a week. There is no significant impact to do it all the time. But at a public DC charger that last 5%-10% is still going to take extraordinary time, so unless you're going somewhere that you really need to full battery to empty range, just don't charge to 100%. Tesla navigation will even plan for Super Charger stops between 10% to 80% (or less) because Tesla knows these are the sweet spots for quick charging.
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    1. Jason Panosh
      The paranoid will claim the rego has all their details in the State database and it's "The Gummint" they don't want knowing where they are.
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      1. Gary Voltz I wonder if they can get a tin hat for their car🤔
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    2. Jason Panosh I am registered on the Need To Charge app. But I haven’t yet met anyone else who uses it. As others have said, using multiple apps when charging seems to be a stretch. I think we need something built into the charging apps, so one app does the charging, payment and queuing.
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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping yeah, I don't know what the answer is. This isn't about payments, it's about how to communicate with other people. At this early stage it is an issue, but as more chargers are installed it becomes less of an issue. Fees and idle fees will help to get people moving on once charged, that's really where we need to be.
        Just amazes me, Tesla is the best practice, how hard is it for others to just copy that?
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  14. Tesla supercharger kicks you at 80% if it's in high demand.
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  15. Peter Williams via Facebook ↗
    I went through almost this exact scenario. When I arrived the mg was plugged in, 100% charged and not checked in. We waited what felt like an age. I realised the plug could be removed. Whilst charging the owner eventually returned from the nearby nursery. He was an older man. I chatted with him regarding plug share removing the plug etc. He seemed gruff and very disinterested.
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    1. Peter Williams Oh wow. Same guy, it seems. Ironically, all this has brought more attention to having everyone know where he is.
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    2. Paul Johnston via Facebook ↗
      Peter Williams Grimble, grumble....not like the old days. Seems to think it's his own destination charger.

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  16. Brandt Campbell via Facebook ↗
    Did you make it Sale ok?
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    1. Brandt Campbell Yes, we made it through, no problem. We actually charged next, overnight, in Marlo, at a destination charger (11kW). So, we didn’t need to charge at Sale. We just did a quick top up at Moe, on the way to Melbourne.

      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1330537996556…

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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping apparently theres a new SC in Cann River (?)
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      2. Brandt Campbell Yes, I believe so. I mention that in the above blog. Seems to be a good location to split the long Gippsland run.
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  17. Daniel Rafferty via Facebook ↗
    Idle fees need to happen but until that happens these people charging to 100% for no reason need to be shamed
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  18. What we need is to remove free DC fast charging and to implement idle fees. And ideally an 80% limit (that can be forced over if it needed) at sites when they’re busy, like Tesla do at SCs.
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    1. David Heseltine In downtown Trondheim there was a system where EVs had free street parking (a very limited resource as in all European cities). Great in the beginning. But I (and many other EV drivers) was so happy when they abolished it. Suddenly you could actually go to downtown for an errand without looking for a parking lot for half an hour. :-)

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  19. I haven't got my EV yet but I'm very curious about the etiquette (if there is any). It seems that most publicly available chargers are set out like parking spots rather than an ICE service station (in one way out the other). Queuing occurs implicitly at a servo, but how does it work for EV when all charging spots are in use?
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    1. D Anton Guillaumier Good question. That has been my main observation this trip, that there’s no explicit queuing mechanism. The closest we have is PlugShare’s “waiting” status, but it requires everyone to participate, which is rare. I think we need queuing built into the charging apps.
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  20. The 1:1 ratio of chargers to car bays isn’t working. What would work is for each charger to have multiple cables extending to multiple car bays, and let the charger manage the queue. If you arrive at the charger and there’s already a car plugged in, simply park in another bay and plug in, and when the first car finishes charging (or the charger deems they’ve had enough), it switches over to your car.
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    1. Samuel Poustie We definitely need more than one simultaneous charger at each site. But yes, it is also worth considering some method of plugging in as next in line.
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    2. Samuel Poustie yes, and 1:1 dispensers to chargers also not working

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  21. Make you wonder how many charging stations are required to follow the governments pipe dream of eliminating combustible engines?
    We would need a plug at every carpark in Australia

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  22. It should be possible to arrive and "register' at the charging station. Then when it's vacated, the next in line is the only one who can tap again to unlock the charger (with a countdown in case they left), then the next and so on.
    Either enter a code like the car wash has, or it reads your phone's IMEI perhaps.
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  23. Play nice out there with the chinesium MG
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  24. Oops It Looks Like You Did A License Plate Doodle

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  25. We travel in the country and charging station are far between. Twice we’ve been close to empty on arrival at the charger and it isn’t working.
    First time we managed to find a PowerPoint near the river so Sat and watched movies until charged (it was night time).
    Second time we managed to limp to a destination charger at a winery. Lucky they leave gates open 24/7 as it was after hours. We only had 2% left.
    I look forward to more charging stations.
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  26. When I stopped there a BYD was charging and he'd checked into PlugShare and I did the same while waiting. When he arrived back we had a chat and he was road tripping with two young children and had been camping and charging overnight most of the time. He had to have an extra night in Gippsland as the RACV charger at Bairnsdale wasn't working and no fast chargers. Thankfully that's over now with Caan River opening, but really it's a lack of infrastructure thing and idle fee thing, rather than a queueing system we need in my opinion. Even free chargers should have idle fees. Although personally I think all DC chargers should be paid ones to stop freeloaders and free up capacity.
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  27. People are interesting. Amelia is still doing dance and so often I come to pick her up and cars are spaced out with drivers sitting in there so you with do a nasty reverse park or go elsewhere and this is where people know each other. Some people seem to live in their own little worlds.

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  28. Scott Furry Scott Furry Well, yes, the work places were (for natural reasons) destination chargers. Noone needs to "wait" there, people do other things while parking outside of their workplace. :-)

    But all the other sites, IKEA, the groceries shop, and petrol station (for natural reasons too) had fast chargers, as not everyone are going to spend a significant amount of time there.
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  29. Scott Furry Yes, and especially with a clear discount per kWh to give people an egoistic reason to move as well. :-) Most places here are a little bit cheaper, but it would just save you a dollar or two. Now, what if you saved five dollars by moving it? Would probably get some people moving.
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